tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2209094218813547041.post8484956707639431588..comments2023-09-19T03:06:29.983-07:00Comments on Liber locorum communium: Calling fathers "father"Steve Perishohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05422656717551961275noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2209094218813547041.post-58439784566689479922009-12-05T11:57:09.243-08:002009-12-05T11:57:09.243-08:00If that were Christ's perspective, why then wo...If that were Christ's perspective, why then would he say that his disciples should allow no one to call them "Father"? Batut seems to be saying that we (or at least church leaders) understand our relationship to God better than Christ does. <br />Scripture is worthless as a guide if we can abandon its apparent meanings in favor of contortions that match our tradition.Elaine Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417283688993930533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2209094218813547041.post-73506536761662774542009-11-27T07:07:02.158-08:002009-11-27T07:07:02.158-08:00Which is not to say that God is male!!!Which is <i>not</i> to say that God is male!!!Steve Perishohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422656717551961275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2209094218813547041.post-83671893244610697812009-11-27T07:04:46.040-08:002009-11-27T07:04:46.040-08:00I'm not following you, Elaine.
For all three o...I'm not following you, Elaine.<br />For all three of us, you, me, and Batut, the "literal" meaning is <i>theological</i>, and the "prime analogate," our <i>heavenly</i> Father (Mt 23:8-10, Eph 3:14-15 (where there is that πατήρ-πατριὰ wordplay), etc.). In <i>that</i> meaning all other referents can be only <i>participants</i>, more or less, to the extent that the one true Father (through the Son and in the Holy Spirit) makes this possible. So how could this mere <i>participation</i> (so graciously granted) result in an abandonment of the literal meaning? Batut doesn't claim that it does. Indeed, the entire passage and article (Did you ever receive it?) argues precisely the opposite, such that everything depends upon the concept of <i>effacement:</i> in the insistence that my priest and I are only legitimately "fathers" (and we can be!) to the extent that we point away from ourselves to <i>the</i> "Father who is in heaven".<br />Those who think Catholics worship Mary should take note of Batut's other claim, that for motherhood, there is in the Godhead no such prime analogate.Steve Perishohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422656717551961275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2209094218813547041.post-483693679670688152009-11-26T23:45:18.026-08:002009-11-26T23:45:18.026-08:00So words only have their real meanings when the li...So words only have their real meanings when the literal meanings are abandoned?Elaine Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417283688993930533noreply@blogger.com